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Tuesday, May 7, 2013

Bad Trinity Arguments

Both Trinitarians and Non-Trinitarians have made some really bad or weak arguments in defense of their doctrines or attacking the doctrine of their opponents. Below, my goal is to expose these weak arguments so that people stop repeating them.

Bad Argument #1 (made by some Trinitarians):
"John 15:13 says the greatest act of love is dying for others. Jesus did this. If Jesus is not Yahweh, then that means someone besides Yahweh performed the greatest act of love. No creature could perform a greater act of love than Yahweh."

My Refutation to Argument #1:
Trinitarians admit that God the Son died for us, NOT God the Father or God the Spirit, therefore, this entire argument and interpretation falls apart because they still have God the Father and God the Spirit failing to perform the greatest act of love.

The simple explanation of John 15:13 is that it is referring to the greatest act of love that HUMANS can perform, not the greatest act of love that spirit beings can perform.

However, even if, in the remote possibility that John 15:13 is saying that dying for someone is the greatest act of love ANYONE can perform (including spirit beings), then we should examine John 14:12, where Jesus says His disciples will perform greater works than He did. So we can see that performing greater works than Jesus did does NOT mean you are a greater person than Jesus, just like Jesus performing a greater act of love than the Father does NOT make Jesus a greater person than the Father (John 14:28, 1 Corinthians 15:24-28).

Bad Argument #2 (made by some Non-Trinitarians):
"Jesus prayed to God, it makes no sense for Jesus to pray to Himself if He is God."

My Refutation to Argument #2:
This argument fails to take into account the fact that the Trinity Doctrine teaches that Jesus is a different person from the Father, and therefore, Jesus the Son was speaking to God the Father when He was praying, not speaking to Himself.

This is actually a good argument to use against Modalists / Oneness Believers, however.

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